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all right you bum, get off your ass and share your thoughts on laziness!
all right you bum, get off your ass and share your thoughts on laziness!
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Re: is laziness genetic? reply, if you're not too... lazy
Fri, August 1, 2008 - 7:47 PMlazy bums. -
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Re: is laziness genetic? reply, if you're not too... lazy
Fri, August 1, 2008 - 7:48 PMblame the genes, you say? don't make me come over there!
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Re: is laziness genetic? reply, if you're not too... lazy
Wed, August 6, 2008 - 9:59 AMI would but...
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Re: is laziness genetic? reply, if you're not too... lazy
Wed, August 6, 2008 - 10:04 AMIt is not that I am lazy but so extremely busy. This tribe was up to 100 posts before I was able to even look at it again (now). I am 5 weeks behind in reading New Scientist and I really, really want to read the article, "The Forbidden Question: What is wrong with reason?". Plus classes start in two weeks.
I have learned from experience that Time on average completely misunderstands biological research.
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Re: is laziness genetic? reply, if you're not too... lazy
Thu, August 21, 2008 - 9:23 AMmost animal and plant design can only be understood by understanding that optimality has been traded for economy out of necessity. i think this applies to our laziness - if you ever found a lion 'working out' in the serengeti, you could be pretty sure that his lineage wasn't going to make it much further: there's just not enough energy available to waste. that we are psychologically able to pant idly on the treadmill toward no obvious end is actually somewhat amazing. this would normally amount to suicide in a natural setting. -
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Thu, August 21, 2008 - 5:08 PM"this would normally amount to suicide in a natural setting."
you make good points, except you're forgetting sexual selection and zahavi's handicap principle here. if a male lion were working out on the serengeti, it might attract the ladies and do better! wow, expending energy in this heat! he must have extra! -
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Fri, August 22, 2008 - 5:11 AM"you make good points, except you're forgetting sexual selection and zahavi's handicap principle here. if a male lion were working out on the serengeti, it might attract the ladies and do better! wow, expending energy in this heat! he must have extra!"
Ha! Lions are a bad example--males demonstrate their fitness by killing or driving off the previous males and defending the territory against encroaching males and here are no competitors to choose from. But it's true that there is a kind of economic decision being made and there are a number of tradeoffs to consider, and increased mating success is definitely one factor. Age, life expectancy, size-specific fecundity, resource availability and mating system all enter into the equation. In general, laziness often pays though. Predators typically don't have energy to spare, and prey species expose themselves to predators when they move around. If the payoff in terms of increased reproductive success is high enough, it does sometimes make sense to make survival a lower priority. -
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Fri, August 22, 2008 - 4:37 PMthe more i learn, the more i am amazed at biologists that are able to get a handle on the interaction of variables going on. i am only getting more humble as time goes by, and certainly a little slower on the draw... it's not even the adaptive cost/benefit equations to figure out, but the developmental constraints, the drift, the accidents... frequency dependence... wow. ...deep breath... -
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Re: is laziness genetic? reply, if you're not too... lazy
Wed, June 24, 2009 - 6:59 PMinteresting points but I query what we mean by laziness?
to me lazy means falling below the mark, neglecting ones obligations rather than failing to push the boundary....
if my physical excertions are sufficient to feed clothes and house me why shouldn't I relax and let my mind try to solve the ulitmate question or simply stare into oblivion and enjoy a beautiful day?
thus if we define lazy as not doing enough then if it were a genetic characteristic we would expect over time for its frequency to deminish as the lazy buggers fail to provide enough food or shelter and die out......
but as the laziest group are teenagers its more likeli that lziness is more strongly influenced by chemistry and hormonal changes than by genes.......
similarly I would aver that laziness is related to or the antiphaph of bravery in terms of risk so that just as being to bold can kill you (i.e being the hard bare knuckle lion wrestler) so can being too shy ..
regards
gm23 (to lazy to speel proparlee)
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Re: is laziness genetic? reply, if you're not too... lazy
Thu, June 25, 2009 - 3:41 PM*eye roll*
"its more likeli that lziness is more strongly influenced by chemistry and hormonal changes than by genes....... " -
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Re: is laziness genetic? reply, if you're not too... lazy
Fri, June 26, 2009 - 6:24 AMdont understand...
you agree or disagree with this statement ?
"its more likeli that lziness is more strongly influenced by chemistry and hormonal changes than by genes....... "
if you are disagreing then why? please state your reasons
In support of my statement refer to the following articles which effectively support the hypothesis that lasiness is a hormonal or developmental issue ....
www.sciencentral.com/articles/view.php3
www.bbc.co.uk/science/hum.../sleep.shtml
www.neatorama.com/2009/03/2...-laziness/
look forward to your reply automatt,
regards
gm23
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Re: is laziness genetic? reply, if you're not too... lazy
Fri, June 26, 2009 - 6:54 AM"if you are disagreing then why? please state your reasons "
Hormone production, hormone level regulation and ontogenetics all have a strong genetic component and are subject to selection. The chemicals are just the mechanism. -
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This is the maximum depth. Additional responses will not be threaded.Unsu...
Re: is laziness genetic? reply, if you're not too... lazy
Sat, June 27, 2009 - 7:05 AM
ah if we go down that road.... then all is genetic..
the fact that I and you have two arms two legs and a gob is down to genes
I assumed that the question was posed to illicit if laziness was a specific genetic trait (i.e sickle cell anemea) rather than a universal one common to us all....
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Sat, June 27, 2009 - 7:21 AM"I assumed that the question was posed to illicit if laziness was a specific genetic trait (i.e sickle cell anemea) rather than a universal one common to us all...."
Um...why would you assume that? It seems to me the question was whether or not it was subject to selection (which requires a significant heritable component). The original article that Jeff posted cited work where some 20 loci were involved (although the title may have led you to believe that it was 'a gene for laziness'). -
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Sat, June 27, 2009 - 8:18 AMyou right lenny.. I didn't read the original link which I overlooked but having now done so I see that the laziness more specifically refered to physical activity rather than laziness persay.....
as the study just looked at mice and their use of a wheel it was to say the least rather limiting.. some mice may just dislike wheels
differences may also be down to metabolic rates or dare I say but perhaps the less athletic mice were more academically biased and instead of wasting energy on a wheel put it to solving the ultimate question... not the first time such a possibility has been raised as arthur dent learned from Fladi bardfast in Hichhikers guide to the galaxy....
similarly the study looks as if it was incredible small (given that the article pointed out the specific action of three 'lazy, mice) and one could aver that perhaps the researchers themselves exhibited lasiness in the smallness of the data set and the failure to measure metabolism ...
I think the real problem is determining that failure to do a treadmill exercise is laziness... for some of us its just down to boredom... a possible explaination for the mouse that used the wheel as a viewing point...
perhaps to truely answer this question we need first to define what we mean by lazy
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Re: is laziness genetic? reply, if you're not too... lazy
Mon, June 29, 2009 - 10:23 AMI don't feel that traits in and of themselves are genetic... I feel that very little is genetic. If a child sees his parents being "lazy" and responds to this as an acceptable lifestyle choice than that will influence the possibility of the child developing a lazy characteristic later in life. -
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Mon, June 29, 2009 - 10:29 AM*** feel is the wrong word to use here too... I would say know, or intuit or have experienced instead. But then I am not a credible researcher, so my "feeling" begins to be all I can offer.
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Re: is laziness genetic? reply, if you're not too... lazy
Mon, June 29, 2009 - 5:00 PMah yes good point.. nature versa nurture...
to what extent is a trait learned rather than inherited? afterall the first teacher of us all is our mother and whilst she could not be responsible for teaching us a genetic disorder she could teach us bad habits that lead to obesity or diabetes ...... so why not a reluctance to do exercise?
personally I suspect that laziness is perhaps linked to mood or life stages and whilst these may be genetic in origin that does not mean the trait is inheritable......
Similarly laziness is a relative trait... I may be lazy compared to a workaholic but knock the spots of an alcoholic..... equally I may be lazy when it comes to doing my tax accounts but not in the job itself...... thus many factors are likely to influence when, where or to what degree laziness is expressed.........
regards
gm23
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Tue, June 30, 2009 - 10:38 AM*is too lazy to get into it* -
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Re: is laziness genetic? reply, if you're not too... lazy
Tue, July 21, 2009 - 8:50 PMi'd say that the heritable components of laziness would be about the most obvious candidate for frequency dependence in a trait imaginable!!
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