I tend to think the concept behind the cave is an important one. Like, this weekend, I flew down to San Diego and hung with guys - even though they were a little younger, and it felt really good. We had lots of conversations and subjects came up that would not necessarily not have come up if women were around, but the direction and flavor of the conversations and activities would have certainly been different had they been around. I still get together regularly with the guys and we express our super-male-dominated ideas with one another, and end up in a certain way listening and caring for one another in our own way. In the past I've been involved as a player and coach on various athletic teams and I think this is an extension of the same. I'd also say that women seem to have their own version of the same gig.