Scientists and Personal Belief Management

topic posted Wed, February 13, 2008 - 8:11 AM by  Krampus
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Soon in my Intro. to Phil class I will be teaching C.S. Lewis's essay "On Obstinacy in Belief". In it he argues that scientists at home do not employ the same epistemic standards as they do as scientists at work; specifically, scientists at home do not proportion their beliefs to the evidence at hand. Lewis is primarily speaking here in the context of human relationships. My question to the group: Is this true, in general? I ask this here because some of you are practicing scientists.




Note of interest: Two of the CalSci Math professors depicted in the show Numb3rs do, explicitly, apply the scientist at work standards to their personal lives. They are using decision theory to determine if they should live together.
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  • Re: Scientists and Personal Belief Management

    Wed, February 13, 2008 - 12:47 PM
    absurd. my forays into science inform my daily existence seamlessly. there are just some times when i don't want to talk that way though. i use neuroscience and psychology in my relationships all the time, and certainly my work on the neuroscience of the will has informed my view of myself and everyone else. maybe if i were a geologist i would offer a different answer!
    • Re: Scientists and Personal Belief Management

      Tue, February 26, 2008 - 10:16 PM
      Hmm. Don't you get caught up in the fact that you are part of the "experiment" as opposed to an impartial, external observer?
      • Re: Scientists and Personal Belief Management

        Tue, February 26, 2008 - 11:13 PM
        that's a very important point, but not as damning as it first looks. it's only a problem when scientists 1) don't effectively apply methods that help filter out much subjective bias, and 2) aren't conscious of the fact to begin with and go about their merry way as if subjectivity wasn't a factor. it in part depends on what you're asking science to do.
        • Re: Scientists and Personal Belief Management

          Tue, February 26, 2008 - 11:19 PM
          Fair enough. I wasn't assuming you were running your spouse, partner, children, whatever through a maze, or anything like that. And of course there is some self-selection going on. Whatever you are doing, and to the extent that it is working, is almost by definition being accepted (or tolerated?) by your s/p/c.
          • Re: Scientists and Personal Belief Management

            Tue, February 26, 2008 - 11:47 PM
            it's actually weird sometimes. neuroscience is particularly an odd integration in everyday life. actually experiencing different pathways and structures chiming in and noting their influence is a weird experience. but it can be very grounding as long as it's not done inappropriately (as in being dismissive of the subjective experience).

            oh wait, i do this mostly to myself. i try not to be annoying! but i am annoying sometimes. sometimes my lover doesn't really want to hear it scientifically, and of course she is a genius and very into science, but sometimes people just don't want their brains being talked about because it feels like a deflection from the normative direct ways of talking. science is in part a linguistic subculture really, and sometimes i'm just not in that country. it guides me though. i'm constantly trying out hypotheses and new ideas for how they fit in my life. they've been overturned enough that i try not to be attached though!
  • Re: Scientists and Personal Belief Management

    Mon, February 18, 2008 - 10:27 PM
    What sort of epistemic standards is he talking about? "Human relationships" does not at all seem the sort of subject for which scientific epistemology is suited, being highly subjective. This seems a bizarre thesis from the outset.

    If he was talking about "religious beliefs" then his case would be valid, since ISTM that most scientists who profess religious belief must be seriously compartmentalizing (perhaps by adhering to Gould's non-competing magisteria).
    • Re: Scientists and Personal Belief Management

      Wed, February 20, 2008 - 7:15 AM
      Jonathan:

      Lewis is talking about belief in god and, in that paper, how a Xtian is justified in maintaining belief despite conflicting evidence. For Lewis, belief in god is a personal, loving relationship. He does not believe that god never "tests our faith" where that means "testing our fidelity". He says it would be wrong of a scientist to conduct scientific experiments to test the fidelity of his/her spouse. Doing so, for Lewis, is a sign of a problem in the relationship--a lack of trust and a breakdown of love.

      He also claims that a person is justified in being an atheist if god has never attempted to establish a relationship with that person. But of course he believes that god will do this. (And at the end he cheats by appealing to Pascal's Wager.) Lewis talks about the different kinds of evidence that are appropriate within varying contexts. He is adamant about requiring evidence and even claims that "the evidence cannot be so weak as to warrant believing anything". There he is not talking only about the quality of specific evidence but about the criteria for determining what counts as evidence, which is where the question of belief management becomes appropriate.

      For Lewis, religious experience is the best possible evidence. In the end, it is the rules of personal relationships that apply to belief formation and obstinacy in belief. He breaks out the difference between assenting and adhering to beliefs. He also states that when the evidence is overwhelming that one's spouse is cheating, for example, then it is irrational and unwarranted to maintain one's belief (adhere) that the spouse is faithful. This applies to giving up adherence and assenting. But, as I said, he cheats his way out of the obvious dilemma he creates for himself by appealing to Pascal's Wager at the end such that one must never give up adherence in relation to god.





      From here I could go into the problem of evil as a violation of expectations, a violation of trust, within the context of "faith" as a personal relationship.

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